LOVE: After Further Review
Should LSU continue to play Florida every year?
LSU defensive end Lavar Edwards chases down Florida ball carrier Chris Rainey in last year’s game in Tiger Stadium (photo by Gail Chisum).
By BEN LOVE
Tiger Rag Editor
In a place like Baton Rouge, a populace filled with passionate but paranoid sports fans of the highest order, this might be the most sensitive subject to broach.
“Should LSU continue to play Florida every year?”
Or, as just about every Tiger athletic supporter would phrase it: “Should LSU have to play Florida every year?”
It’s a perceived curse, an albatross thrown around the neck of LSU football by the Southeastern Conference in an attempt to keep the Bayou Bengals down.
It’s also a question that’s been raised, vigorously so, at SEC summer meetings in Destin, Fla., this week by LSU Director of Athletics Joe Alleva and outgoing Chancellor Mike Martin.
The premise of Alleva and Martin’s argument: Just because Alabama decrees it must play Tennessee and Auburn can’t live without its annual dosage of Georgia doesn’t mean LSU should be subject to facing Florida year in and year out.
The spirit behind that objection, and the impetus for LSU speaking up, has already been grossly misunderstood by at least one member of the regional media, Birmingham News columnist Kevin Scarbinsky.
In this gem of a rah-rah column for the state of Alabama, Scarbinsky claims LSU football has lost its nerve and is fighting schedule-related battles because the purple and gold are still suffering from post-BCS title game blunder sickness.
Get real.
This debate of equity is one with roots firmly entrenched, one that’s raged back all the way to 1992, when the SEC expanded to 12 member institutions.
It’s not, as Scarbinsky implies, some fly-by-night attempt for LSU to grab a get out of jail free card just because Alabama reigned supreme on Jan. 9, 2012.
Even now, when you ask LSU’s chief decision maker at the time how things have gotten to this point, uncertainty lingers.
“It’s complicated,” Joe Dean Sr. told Tiger Rag this week. “In my period of time as the athletic director there were a lot of discussions. We were unfortunate that we didn’t a have a premier rivalry. Ole Miss had been historically a rivalry, but their level went down and it wasn’t as tense as it had been previously. We were kind of trapped, to be honest with you, when Arkansas and South Carolina came into the league.”
When the Razorbacks and Gamecocks entered the fray in ‘92 and installed each other as permanent cross-division opponents, they joined the aforementioned Alabama-Tennessee and Auburn-Georgia series, both tenured and steeped in tradition.
That left LSU without an annual Eastern division opponent, a vacancy that opportunistic SEC Commissioner Roy Kramer was anxious to fill.
And even though the Tigers were rumored to have options, Kramer knew the best way to grow his fledgling 12-team league and its brand.
“My understanding was that LSU actually had a choice. They could go with Kentucky or they could go with Florida,” Tiger Rag columnist and LSU historian Marty Mulé said. “Part of the nudging process was that Roy Kramer, who was the commissioner then, wanted LSU to have a game like Alabama-Tennessee or Auburn-Georgia, a cross-division rival. Kramer thought Florida would fit the bill.”
In a number of ways Kramer was right.
LSU and Florida, both founding members of the SEC in 1932, were very familiar with one another. The two had met on the gridiron every season since 1971 (and still have), and the overall series record - entering the ‘92 season - was 18-17-3 in favor of LSU.
How close can you get?
Of course what Kramer, Dean and pretty much anybody else not named Spurrier didn’t know at the time was what Florida would soon become.
The Gators quickly ushered in the Golden Era of Florida football, winning a national championship in 1996 and executing an absolute stranglehold on the SEC East and, most years, the conference as a whole.
What resulted for LSU were losses. And a lot of them.
From 1992 to 2001 Florida beat the relatively down Tigers all but one season, with LSU prevailing in a near-miraculous home game in 1997. Here were some of the final scores in Gator wins from that period: 58-3, 1993; 42-18, 1994; 56-13, 1996; and 41-9, 2000.
Florida owned LSU and suddenly many in TigerTown couldn’t help but feel that their beloved Tigers got a raw deal.
“I caught some heat over the Florida thing because a lot of our fans wanted to play an easier game,” Dean acknowledged frankly. “I didn’t try to duck Florida. What I did at the time, and a lot of people don’t know this, to take some pressure off the head football coach was bought out of the Texas A&M series.
“When I came to LSU I inherited a 10-year contract with Texas A&M. Of course we won early in that series, but Texas A&M had begun to beat us pretty regularly. So I bought out of the last two years of the contract. We only played eight years of it. That gave us some flexibility. So if you’re going to get rid of A&M, you’ve gotta live with Florida. And I would’ve rather had Florida than A&M at that time.”
Fast-forward to modern day and the point has become moot as the Aggies, now a part of the conference and Western division, are back in the fold for LSU.
It is this changing landscape, and not the recent meltdown on Jan. 9, that has LSU administrators pleading their case for a different cross-division format.
Dean, for one, can relate to the position of Alleva and Martin.
“I understand where they’re coming from,” continued Dean. “You’d like to think that in the Southeastern Conference everyone’s trying to make the conference better. But when you get in a room and close the door, they all get selfish. They all want what’s best for them. It’s complicated. There’s no question about that. Joe and Mike are fighting for their institution because when the season ends all anyone wants to know is ‘How many games did you win?’”
Which brings us to perhaps the most conveniently forgotten fact by snakebitten LSU fans: The Tigers are more than just competitive with Florida these days.
Since 2002 LSU, under Nick Saban and Les Miles, has taken six of 10 from the mighty Gators, including a 41-11 beat-down of Florida this past season in Baton Rouge.
Toss in that stretch of games and the overall series between Florida and LSU now stands at 30-25-3 in favor of the Gators.
Still, it’s the alleged injustice of the whole thing that has Tiger Nation up in arms. They’d just as soon see LSU get a crack at Vanderbilt, Ole Miss’ permanent opponent, or Kentucky, tied at the hip with Mississippi State, on a more regular basis.
From a competitive standpoint I believe LSU is best off keeping this game on the schedule every season. More often than not it serves to boost things like strength of schedule, RPI, the visibility and marketability of the program. And on years when the Tigers win this game, their shot at making a BCS bowl down the road grows exponentially. Ditto for the Florida side of things.
But, and there’s always a but, I see the other side for one big reason: No one associated with LSU wants to be told you have to do this because it keeps traditions alive for others, most notably Alabama and Auburn.
Neither LSU nor Florida should have to kneel at the altar of those schools.
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Editor Ben Love covers LSU football and men’s basketball for Tiger Rag. Reach him at ben@tigerrag.com.




this is usually one the best games, year in and year out of any game, one of the closest things to a rivalry LSU has now (although I think A&M will become the rivalry game in the next few years) and an almost sure TV game. As a coach I might rather have an easy game on the schedule, but as a die hard Tiger fan, I sure do enjoy watching it. I don’t think we can have it both ways, though.
So the “obvious answer” is to move Alabama and Auburn into the East and move Missouri and Kentucky into the West. That’s where they belong anyway!
Great view off the situation. Nowhere do I see Florida’s viewpoint-you’d think they’d be just as happy to get LSU off their annual schedule. ALL OUT OF DIVISION GAMES SHOULD ROTATE for fairness.
Oh, and the saying is “they’d just as SOON see”, not “just assume see”
If LSU has Florida or any other permanent East Div. opponent, then you only see the other six East Div. teams in your “own conference”, once every six years. Furthermore, we will only get them in our house, once every twelve years. I want to play Georgia, Tennessee and South Carolina and the other teams in our conference more often than that, so I can remember who they are. We may have some payback feelings that wont last six years. If both games against East Division are rotating, you will see all teams twice as frequent. To do otherwise is akin to just having two separate conferences. To me, rotating both is most fair way to all conference teams, keeps interest alive against all opposite division opponents, helps all teams share appropriately in home game revenue, having equal opportunity for good, bad and average conference opponent coming into your house equal number of times. Equalizes recruiting opportunity that is related to ability to see those conference teams all around the states within our great conference. Traditional rival is BS rational. Play em all, beat em all is the only way to go!
Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, Texas A&M, Alabama, Ole Miss, Arkansas, back to back, back to back, back to back, is a real struggle. I think that Les Miles is trying to tell everyone that with the addiction of A&M. Florida will need to go back into the SEC East. Because the SEC West is now filed up with more then enough good college football team. Florida should be played less often now.
What is that so hard to understand?
Sat, Sep 22 Auburn * at Auburn, Ala. (Jordan-Hare Stadium) TBA
Sat, Oct 06 Florida * at Gainesville, Fla. (Ben Hill Griffin Stadium)
Sat, Oct 13 South Carolina * Baton Rouge, La. (Tiger Stadium) TBA
Sat, Oct 20 Texas A&M * at College Station, Texas (Kyle Field) TBA
Sat, Nov 03 Alabama * Baton Rouge, La. (Tiger Stadium) TBA
Sat, Nov 10 Mississippi St. * Baton Rouge, La. (Tiger Stadium) TBA
Sat, Nov 17 Ole Miss * Baton Rouge, La. (Tiger Stadium) TBA
Fri, Nov 23 Arkansas * at Fayetteville, Ark. (Razorback Stadium) CBS
In order to be the best, you have to beat the best…Nuff said !!!!
It’s funny, so many LSU fans are still on Nick’s bandwagon and rightly so. However, his record against Florida while at LSU with Ron Zook as Florida coach might I add, was not so positive. Saban never faced Urban Meyer led Florida (while coaching LSU) and only faced them once in the regular season while at Alabama, and that was after Percy Harvin (the other catalyst that made the engine run) along with Tebow were out of eligibility. Alabama faced (Urban Meyer/Tebow)Florida twice, but both took place in the SEC Championship game. Even then Saban is 1-1 against good Florida teams.
LSU has won 6 - 10 but four of the six came under Les Miles. The records speak volumes!! Tennesse has not been relevant since Les Miles led LSU beat them in 2007 on way to National Title. 2007 was Nick’s return to the college ranks.
Les Miles vs Saban in regular season 3-2. Record currently even due to Alabama getting a second chance against LSU who defeated them in 2010 and 2011 regular season; while also having to play against the other team’s 11 plus the officials in 2009 (Patrick Peterson - Non interception ring a bell???)
October 7, 2000 Gainesville, FL Florida 41–9 FLA 25-19-3 (Saban)
October 6, 2001 Baton Rouge, LA Florida 44–15 FLA 26-19-3 (Saban)
October 12, 2002 Gainesville, FL LSU 36–7 FLA 26-20-3 (Saban)
October 11, 2003 Baton Rouge, LA Florida 19–7 FLA 27-20-3 (Saban)
October 9, 2004 Gainesville, FL LSU 24–21 FLA 27-21-3 (Saban)
October 15, 2005 Baton Rouge, LA LSU 21–17 FLA 27-22-3 (Miles)
October 7, 2006 Gainesville, FL Florida 23–10 FLA 28-22-3
October 6, 2007 Baton Rouge, LA LSU 28–24 FLA 28-23-3
October 11, 2008 Gainesville, FL Florida 51–21 FLA 29-23-3
October 10, 2009 Baton Rouge, LA Florida 13–3 FLA 30-23-3
October 9, 2010 Gainesville, FL LSU 33–29 FLA 30-24-3
October 8, 2011 Baton Rouge, LA LSU 41–11 FLA 30-25-3
I would prefer keeping the Gator rivalry than playing Carolina.
we recruit in Fla. The exposure is a tool for prospects. Miles would prefure Monroe or SEL.
The SEC is not about fairness. It’s about what is best for Alabama.